09 July 2007


You know, every time I engage Leftists in an attempt at reasonable dialog it ends horribly.

Let's tally up the score, cut and paste from the comments section:


he may have that wingnut welfare gleam in his eye.

I’d like that seven minutes I spent over at The Marching Camp back, please.

So please, understand that those who have been brutalized are going to be here, needing lots of help. They are victims, too. We need to give them sympathy, and we need to help them get out.

Thank God for steely-eyed Objectivist rocket-men.

Fat lot of good real manliness will do when the real hunter seeker androids start being mass produced and introduced into the War on Terra by all the industrial powers in about 15 years or so.

We are lucky that 70% of us have taken the time to understand why we don’t want to become a nations like Palastine and Iraq, but want to return to what we were before the Bush regime began corrupting our freedoms.

do come back, so we can get a taste of what the libertarian military are indoctrinating themselves on.

Chaos is the plan. Whoever is the last man standing gets the oil. Not you, of course. Bu$hCo-Cheneyburton. Or whoever the Carlyle Group subcontracts the Imperial State out to when the last man is standing.

because i do believe in the nobility of the soul, and i mourn its loss, even in you, decurion.

I hold, too, that the 3500 USer troops killed (so far) in Iraq may have died in the uniform of their country, but they were killed in the interests of the oiligarchs, and pollutocrats, the fascists, and the corpoRat cabalists who cared not a whit whether they lived or died…
They did NOT perish for their ’country,’ but for the vanity, greed, and power of the PNAC and a ’permanent Republican majority.’

at the same time, i feel more and more inclined towards the idea that in this country, we must have another civil war. i don’t want that to happen, but as time passes and the crimes of our oligarchic masters increase in scope and in terms of how evil they are, i find “peaceful” solutions less and less likely, and effective even were they tried.

You come off as a mercenary in service of prejudice.

Unwitting tool of fascism.

Likely paid troll.

None of the “tinfoil hat” stuff on disinformation, please. I can’t imagine that you haven’t heard of the White House Iraq Group, but if you haven’t, study up.

You can not “win” without genocide.

The game being played is combat until Cheney & Company controls all the oil. In Iraq. In Iran, if we let him. And eventually Saudi Arabia, if he can.

In fact, there’s all that Russian oil and the people RedRum sfeld regarded as our inevitable enemy, China.

Hey Decurion, good luck when you “professional soldiers” have to take on half the human race. You know, the half that already has all the liens on the American financial industry. You just might find your checks start bouncing.

Woops, no problem… you’ll just fight for the other side, then, right? ’Cause you’re a professional.

You, sir, are no sort of a gentleman, and lack both common decency and honor.

You are an angry, frightened man, and I am sorry that you and your family have been put through enough to make you the way you are. Please get some help.

Maybe it’s necessary to make people angry and frightened so they’ll participate in war.

But when someone spouts a lot of illogical crap, refuses to listen to kind people who try to point out the fallacies is his premises, and then threatens them, I stop being polite.

Seriously; rage, contempt, rudeness and incoherency are hallmarks of untreated PTSD.

Get some help.

Making, and refuting, the ad hominem attack is good, clean, earthy sport, what?


There you have it folks, the mind of the American Liberal in sum.

There's a reason that I don't generally waste my time with that nonsense.

I, of course, find it hysterical every time I see a liberal making noises about a civil war in America as if it were a good thing.

Who do they think owns 90%+ of the guns in this country? Not Democrats from New York City.


Blogger Consul-At-Arms said...

Ah, but their ideological purety will win the day.

9:14 AM  
Blogger Zero Ponsdorf said...

It's good to peek over the parapet every now and then.

And I admit to enjoying some comic relief every once and a while as well.

But let's not forget that there are powerful members of congress who say much the same, and we laugh at that lot at our peril.

2:39 PM  
Blogger sophia said...

My word! I thought I caught a lot of flak for my political views. Geesh!!!

One thing I admire about you and your wife is your ability to hold strongly to a position, but engage others in thoughtful discussion. I see ya'll do that on your blogs and in person. I understand the feeling that it is sometimes a waste of time, and that it ends up horribly. I still think that sometimes it is very worthwhile, but, yeah, you'll have to evaluate the worthiness of it on a case by case basis.

All of that to say, don't give up on all discussion with opposing viewpoints...but I'm sure you won't. You and your wife have too much to contribute for that.

7:18 PM  
Blogger Adam said...

Er... wow. I admire how long you persisted in the discussion, for all that it seemed like tilting at windmills. The hostess at least seemed willing to engage you politely. The others, not so much.

I sometimes despair that the intarweb is a failure as far as being a forum for the discussion of ideas... not that they aren't discussed, but that there seems to be little hope for achieving consensus or even conceding that an opposing view may have some merit. There's a certain value to face-to-face conversation that forces people to consider that perhaps their interlocutor is a human being, too.

I'm curious... was there anything said to you in the discussion that you found illuminating (other than plumbing the depths of disdain)? Do you think your remarks made any impact at all?

7:44 AM  
Blogger Just A Decurion said...

Sadly, not at all. I found a blend of conspiracy theories, hysteria, personal insult, and not a single sign of willingness to even theoretically concede that I had anything valid to say in the least.

1:49 PM  
Anonymous Zach Bush said...

It's not that it failed as a way to communicate ideas, just that it succeeded in revealing most ideas are pretty routine and kind of dumb.

10:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And then, there's Scott Adams.

But cognitive dissonance that looks like this can't be all bad, anyway.


2:31 PM  
Anonymous Bill McD said...

You might be surprised at how many of us NY Democrats are gun-owners. Just as I don't lump you in with the nut-jobs in your party, don't automagically assume that being a liberal on the issues of whether government has a responsibility to provide a reasonable safety net to its citizens (with the intent of returning them to productive member of society status) means that we're all lunatic communists out to take away everyone's freedoms.

Government should do what is needed to promote the general welfare and provide for the common defense and get the hell out of the way otherwise.

12:07 PM  

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